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How to manage expectations of guests on holiday vs our 'normal' schedule

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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 12:34

We have a continuous stream of guests from November to April, since we moved to Dubai a little over a year ago.

We really do love having family and friends to stay, most of them are really easy and do their own thing and very appreciative of the free accommodation, meals and booze and spending time catching up with us.

However we have guests at the moment, (or I should say 'had'), friends of my DH, who basically have tried to commander my maid. They have 2 little ones, so I know it's not much of a holiday with kids, and it's nice to be able to take a break. But they do not have to cook, all their meals are handed up to them, their laundry is done, they eat and get up from the table and don't have to lift a finger in the kitchen. When my kids are not at school they are entertaining their little ones. They can leave the kids and disappear upstairs and know/expect that either myself, my hubby or the maid will keep an eye on them. So they are having a little bit of a break from the kids and routine, but I agree it's not a kid/stress free holiday.

One of my kids is down with a horrible bug at the moment, raging fevers and I have not slept in 3 nights, and of course absent from school. In the midst of this, our guests asked me if our maid could babysit for them so they can go out in the evening.. I stuttered about our Maid and me having an early start for school and as I am not sleeping I need her to be available for me during the day, as a result I didn't think evening babysitting would work during the week. They asked if I could get one of her friends to babysit, (which we did last weekend when all four of us went out, our maid and her friend babysat all the kids) I explained why that would not work during the week.

Then they suggested they get a babysitting agency, and I told them I did not want to be sitting in my TV room with a stranger, that once my kids go to bed I really cherish those 2 hours between 8 and 10pm, when I can chat with hubby, guests or just veg in front of the TV. So they got all offended and have moved out into a hotel.

I feel awful for my husband, although he is not upset at all, just says they are high maintenance and if they wanted to go out in the evenings than they should have stayed in a hotel in the first place. The thing is they told me that they would never leave their little ones with a hotel babysitter, so it's not like they are only 'grounded' because of our home situation.

So I was just wondering, how do those of you with young school going kids handle guests who are on holiday, rather than those who come specifically to visit you.

PS sorry for long saga !
<em>edited by MDL on 17/01/2012</em>

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EW MASTER
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 20:37
OP, they sound like arseholes. I have had a situation where my dh once invited people I had never met too...men are stupid. They say " Oh you must come to Dubai sometime" WITHOUT THINKING and then they are at work all day!! Our visitors ran out of money after THREE days and would leave beer bottles all over the house.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 20:34
This thread is like a post i just read on the real housewives of dubai blog http://realhousewivesofdubai.wordpress.com/ MDL - I hate it when ppl put you in an awkward and unthoughtful position and then make you feel bad about it!
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 19:57
TBH, if they are going out in the evening, am presuming that the children will be in bed - is it really such a hardship to keep an eye on them if you are in the house anyway? Sorry i really don't get the issue you have in doing this. I am sorry OP, but I am with izzy. Normally I would too but as the OP explained her kids are ill and she is absolutely exhausted, I think she can do without being on-call for someone else's kids as well as her own after she's gone to bed.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 18:53
TBH, if they are going out in the evening, am presuming that the children will be in bed - is it really such a hardship to keep an eye on them if you are in the house anyway? Sorry i really don't get the issue you have in doing this. I am sorry OP, but I am with izzy.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 18:48
Guess it depends on who's coming then!
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EW GURU
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 18:43
a WEEK!?? once a MONTH??!! Good grief!!!! :\: No thanks.... ;)
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 18:41
Dear MDL, some people are just like that. Your husband doesn't care they moved out, so leave it at that. In time all this will be forgotten. In the meantime remember all the fun visits you did have, and limit the guests to a maximum of say 1 week, and no more then one visit a month. Worked for us in our previous location.
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 18:10
What I cannot get my head around is: that people are welcome in your home that you can't have full and frank disclosure with. Friends, family and random strays...your house, your rules (or shedule) apply. If they are not aufait or happy with that, then they can get those blessed all inclusive flights to RAK and stay there and if they want to see you they can invite you in as a guest. Sounds tuff, but you are not a hotel...they're either there to see you and enjoy your new city with you or they are being plonkers and deserve their hotel with no babysitting services. Wish then well and move on...no one ever said your house was to be the new B&B branch for all and sundry in the ME
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 17:56
Did they offer to help you out while your child was ill ? They sound like very ungrateful people. Gosh, when my kids were babies, being served a home cooked meal which I had not prepared and which I did not have to clean up after, was like a two week holiday in itself. You should not feel bad that you didn't want to babysit for them, they should feel horrible for even asking ! If they wanted to go out for dinner, do what other people on vacation do, take the kids along ! If they were on holiday in Dubai and not staying at your home, and don't want to hire a babysitter, than that's what they would have to do, otherwise stay in your hotel room and order room service. Hope your little one feels better soon, I am sure you don't need the added stress of spoilt adults throwing a stop because they didn't get what they wanted.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 17:26
We had so many guests last year, 2months in total, we actually decided to move to a 1 bed this year just to put them off coming! When its close family they will either pay for a hotel or we will work something out in the apartment, but everyone else can go down the hotel route. At first we tried to accompany people most nights but by the end we had to just send them with some Entertainer Vouchers and chill out on the sofa for a few nights. You end up spending as much cash as them, if not more in some cases with our guests last year! Long live the one bed!
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 16:23
We only let family and close personal friends stay at our home, the rest (friends of friends/acquaintances/etc) we refer to hotels. We are not a hotel or cheap accommodation, but we love it when people who really care about us come to stay and then we will make sacrifices for them - and they for us. The best is still to be very honest with your guests. Explain your program/schedule to them. Tell them when you will be available and when not. And tell them what your maid can do for them and what not - and how much is an acceptable payment for her services (not tip). I usually make the Entertainer book available to them to use as they want. I also give them a small scale map with full address and phone number to help them get taxi's to and from the house. That way it is clear that I am not the taxi or the entertainment sponsor.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 15:45
It is always difficult to have visitors especially when they are staying with you. We had 15 or so family members over in November for our wedding and whilst some days I was ready to throttle certain people (my BIL!!!!) I kept my cool. We don’t have children but my SIL does so we gladly spent a few nights taking care of the boys whilst they enjoyed some nights out in Dubai. I honestly don’t think it is worth falling out with them and letting them leave with bad feeling. Presumably you invited/allowed them to stay with you. You also seem upset they don’t have to lift a finger in the house and I get the impression from your post they don’t seem very thankful. I do think they tried to offer a solution by getting a babysitter in from an agency and you may have come across like you were being difficult. I understand you’re exhausted from looking after a sick child and they are not your friends but your husbands however I would probably be inclined to contact them and clear the air. <em>edited by Bracey777 on 17/01/2012</em>
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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 15:36
I would have done the babysitting myself here and to be honest would prefer doing that to yet another round of trips to Dubai Mall etc accompanying guests! the only time I've regretted a guest was when I offered to accomodate the girlfriend of DHs friend and I said she could stay in our house while we were on holiday...she took me up on it, but for three whole weeks (during Ramadam and Eid), I had the biggest DEWA bill I've ever had because she had the AC on constantly, changed the beds but didn;t iron the clean sheets (a crime in my house) and sneeked out every night to meet other men!! Further requests for hospitality were declined.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 15:35
I understand what you are saying, 'Yes' would have been the easy answer. My husband is not around at the moment,, so it was me and the maid, I had a few rough nights behind me and knew I still have a few ahead of me, one of my children has been running 40C fever with a viral infection. If they went out, it meant either my maid or I would have to stay up until they came home. I didn't want the maid to have a late night, she already was working full on days without a break during their visit, and I need her to be up early for the sick child, while I did the school runs. On top of that I am pretty exhausted from lack of sleep. Yes, Appeltiser is correct, they said they would not leave their children with a hotel babysitter, but it would have been okay with an unknown babysitter, knowing I was around. Also, despite them holidaying at our home, I barely knew these people, he is a friend of my husband.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 15:27
Interesting how different people see this. I find it extremely generous to allow visitors for x-days in my private environment which definetly will affect my privacy (they likely would not visit if I would live in a not so sunny not so touristic place). If then my child is sick and demanding my attention to a point that I am just that tired after three days then I find it not very unfriendly to even ask for an additional burden eg to sit the kids of the visitors or compromise my privacy even more. However luckily it's not my problem as I limit visitors. edited by Nyranee on 17/01/2012 <em>edited by Nyranee on 17/01/2012</em>
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 15:16
sorry, but i don't get why between you, your maid (and her friend !!) and your husband you couldn't have babysat for them.. Seems the child to adult ratio is pretty generous lol Maybe next time you have guests with children you ccould discuss this situation in advance so you all know what your expectations/limitations are...
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 15:08
TBH, if they are going out in the evening, am presuming that the children will be in bed - is it really such a hardship to keep an eye on them if you are in the house anyway? Sorry i really don't get the issue you have in doing this. I have to agree with Izzy as well i dont see the issue if you are at home anyway and the kids are in bed. They offered to get a babysitter because you didnt want to babysit and you weren't happy with a stranger being in the house so there didn't appear to be a solution to them having a night out They wont find a solution at a hotel either as they told her they would never leave their child with a hotel babysitter. Guess they wanted her to babysit the children and the newly hired babysitter for the night. Too cheeky imho.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 15:05
TBH, if they are going out in the evening, am presuming that the children will be in bed - is it really such a hardship to keep an eye on them if you are in the house anyway? Sorry i really don't get the issue you have in doing this. I have to agree with Izzy as well i dont see the issue if you are at home anyway and the kids are in bed. They offered to get a babysitter because you didnt want to babysit and you weren't happy with a stranger being in the house so there didn't appear to be a solution to them having a night out
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 15:00
TBH, if they are going out in the evening, am presuming that the children will be in bed - is it really such a hardship to keep an eye on them if you are in the house anyway? Sorry i really don't get the issue you have in doing this. She is exhausted after not having proper sleep for 3 nights due to her own child being sick.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 14:53
TBH, if they are going out in the evening, am presuming that the children will be in bed - is it really such a hardship to keep an eye on them if you are in the house anyway? Sorry i really don't get the issue you have in doing this.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 14:52
Thank you very much ladies, it really is a minefield, and to be honest I am pretty mortified. I really appreciate all your comments. Of all the guests we have had, these are the first ones who have had totally different expectations from our home and hospitality. Clearly we did not meet their needs. We love having our friends and family join us, but I think we have learned a hard lesson here. When I try to look objectively at the babysitting situation, I still feel that it does smack of being rude to say 'sorry, you can stay with us, but you can't bring a hired evening babysitter into our home'. However, I would never in a million years stay with someone and expect them to allow a stranger into their home. By the way, they did give the maid a tip, however they asked me if [b'>I[/b'> wanted them to give her a tip, I said it was their call, that it was not expected of them.
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 13:14
Don't feel awful MDL, you have been totally reasonable and they have behaved terribly. I've got young kids (1,3,5) and what works for me with guests is to tell them (or write down if needs be) our schedule for school/activities/sleeps etc and say that we have to work around that and can't do much during the week as the kids get tired with school but suggest things we can do at the weekend. Or things they can go off and do themselves during the week. Good luck for future guests and don't lose any sleep over the shockers you've just had.
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 13:00
I think that since you are still new to your home you have yet to realize that these kind of guests can ruin your kids schedules. I would think family who can help out and not expect much in return would be fine. I hope they gave your maid a nice tip for doing extra work. We only ever have family visit (we are permanent residents so it is slightly different for us) but they always leave a nice tip under the pillow for the maid on their last day. Don't worry about these stranger people, they are neither family nor friends, just freeloaders.
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 12:56
Guests are like fish, after three days they all smell bad. (italian proverb) With very very few exceptions, we send everybody in a hotel upfront. Seriously. If your husband is not upset why should you be? I love this proverb !! so true :)
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 12:53
Oh dear MDL. My heart goes out to you! I totally agreed with your DH who says they are high maintenance. We dont have kids so I'm afraid I really can't answer your question but I can say I empathise. We too have had a constant stream for years and recently we have actually put our foot down. We had a friend stay with her boyfriend some weeks ago and I really felt like we were a hotel for them and it was apparent that they came to have a holiday and not to see us. They weren't even forthcoming to putting their hands in their pockets when we went out which is particulalry difficult when you have a generous DH like mine who just pays for everything. It just made me mad. Whilst they were here another friend contacted me to see if we were 'free' in February for her and her new boyfriend and I have said that we are closed for anyone but close family this year. I felt rotten saying it and she did even take the hint - she went onto say how much we would love him and we would hardly see them! Erm...no thanks - that sort of highlights that we are being used as a hotel. Eventually when I said it was a real no she was fine but I really resent how she handled it now as I felt terrible having to say no twice. It's so difficult when entertaining and working...not to mention the money spent and the pounds gained with all the eating out! I often wonder how popular we would be if we lived somewhere cold and miserable....;-)
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 12:51
Guests are like fish, after three days they all smell bad. (italian proverb) With very very few exceptions, we send everybody in a hotel upfront. Seriously. If your husband is not upset why should you be?
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EW EXPLORER
Latest post on 17 January 2012 - 12:49
Oh you poor thing don't feel guilty !! It is always fascinating how high the expectations of visitors can be ... some of them really don't evven try to understand that for us here it's daily life that gets disturbed by their presence. I frankly stopped welcoming guests at my home as I always feel like I need a vacation afterwards. There are very limited exceptions to that which are my parents and my very best friend but for them I usually take off to have a good time myself.
 
 

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