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Need Advice - 7 year old with sudden change of behaviour

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EW EXPERT
Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 11:06

I was wondering if there were any Moms on this board who have had to manage sudden changes in behavior with regards to their children. I am really at a loss as to what to do right now with my son who has just turned 7. Sorry for the long email but I am a bit emotional
The other day, there was an incident at his school which prompted the teacher to schedule a meeting with me to "discuss his behavior”. In a nutshell, his class went to the library the other day and he saw a book that he wanted to borrow but his classmate checked it out first. My son was pretty upset so he waited until the end of the day and when nobody was looking, he opened the boy's bag and switched books. It turns out that the teacher saw what happened and made him give the book back ( I would have done the same). I was not at the school to pick my son up that day as I was at the doctor so I sent my maid to fetch him. The teacher told the maid what happened and the maid then relayed to us. My son was in a bit of a state that night and I had "the talk" with him. He seemed to understand what he had done and I thought that was the end of it. I waited a couple of days for the teacher to contact me about the incident but she never did so in the end, I sent her an email explaining that I had spoken to my DS and that I was happy that she had given him a warning. She then emails me back saying that DS has serious behavioral problems and that he is disruptive in class and that she wouldn’t want to see him get blamed for everything that goes wrong in the classroom. At the time, I was pretty shocked as he had a really good year last year and was never in trouble. He has also been a very happy boy at home and enjoying his homework etc.
Yesterday afternoon, he had another huge outburst. We had been to the petrol station and I had bought him some skittles in the shop for after dinner. When we got home, he wanted to open the skittles so I explained to him again that they were for after dinner and placed them on the top shelf. He then went crazy, started screaming and took a packet of chewing gum out of his pocket and said “I don’t care about the skittles, I stole this!!!” Well, I was in shock as I didn’t see him take the gum. I then drove a very scared and teary boy back to the petrol station where I made him return the gum and apologize to the manager.
This morning, on the way to school, we had a BIG chat and he was very down on himself. He kept saying that he was a “very bad boy” and that everyone in the class hated him and thought he was crazy etc..Since he has been in this class, something has dramatically changed in his behavior. He has gone from being a confident and likable, happy go lucky boy to one that has started stealing ( OK only bubble gum ) and who seems to think that he is doomed to be bad.
I have a meeting with the teacher today to discuss his behavior and to be honest I am feeling quite sick about it. I know my DS well and he is not a perfect child but he is normal for his age. I can’t help but think that something has happened in the class or at school to trigger this. Any ideas?

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EW GURU
Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 20:45
Mom of twins....I agree with just about everything you say...except. (theres always an except, hey?) I do not believe at all with talking about when the child goes home...we are HERE, this is our HOME. Where we are, is where we belong...letting the kids fantasize about what their rooms will be like at home seems cruel....let them have the rooms of their dreams, if neccesary, here. Well we ARE going back home and they will have their old rooms back (revamped as they like..). Just different situation for us. Besides, they already have the rooms they wanted here as well....I don't see why they can't have fond memories of home and look forward to going back... edited by MomOfTwins on 16/10/2011 Sure, it can be a different situation... I guess I just like the idea of our small people enjoying where they are...not forever looking forward to something (in the case of relocation home...years in advance...), or looking back at it either. A fond memory is one thing, a longing for a certain unatainable something is quite another. edited by arohadxb on 16/10/2011 See, we have been expats since they were born. We never spent more than 3 years in one location but this time we decided to keep our house, so we are definitely going back home to that same location. All the other years they have been too young to understand. But now they want to talk about it, and we keep this communication open and let them express how they feel. That's why we all look forward to go back "home" and we like to make plans for it. We keep them involved in the process, it's OK to miss it. That doesn't mean they don't like it here, they do, but they do still miss home, it's too recent, they've only been less than three months here..so we have to hold on to what they call "home' for now, if I see they feel comfortable talking about it, then I will try my best to blend both places as they become more comfortable here.....I can't say to them they will never go back, if they know they will..... and they miss their friends and family......I can;t say to them home is only here, but slowly show them home is where we all are, together - no matter where. You can't teach that to a 7 year old, but you can help them figure it out......sorry I blabber too much, I am no expert, just trying to do my best....sorry to hijack the post. <em>edited by MomOfTwins on 16/10/2011</em>
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 20:16
So great that the meeting with the teacher went well! Awesome! Sounds like she is aware of the pressure he is experiencing. I am so happy that it seems to be a less serious situation. (well, to us anyway. I'm sure to him it is very serious! :) lol, I love the trip to the gas station. Sounds like something I would do :D
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 19:56
Mom of twins....I agree with just about everything you say...except. (theres always an except, hey?) I do not believe at all with talking about when the child goes home...we are HERE, this is our HOME. Where we are, is where we belong...letting the kids fantasize about what their rooms will be like at home seems cruel....let them have the rooms of their dreams, if neccesary, here. Well we ARE going back home and they will have their old rooms back (revamped as they like..). Just different situation for us. Besides, they already have the rooms they wanted here as well....I don't see why they can't have fond memories of home and look forward to going back... edited by MomOfTwins on 16/10/2011 Sure, it can be a different situation... I guess I just like the idea of our small people enjoying where they are...not forever looking forward to something (in the case of relocation home...years in advance...), or looking back at it either. A fond memory is one thing, a longing for a certain unatainable something is quite another. <em>edited by arohadxb on 16/10/2011</em>
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EW GURU
Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 19:40
Mom of twins....I agree with just about everything you say...except. (theres always an except, hey?) I do not believe at all with talking about when the child goes home...we are HERE, this is our HOME. Where we are, is where we belong...letting the kids fantasize about what their rooms will be like at home seems cruel....let them have the rooms of their dreams, if neccesary, here. Well we ARE going back home and they will have their old rooms back (revamped as they like..). Just different situation for us. Besides, they already have the rooms they wanted here as well....I don't see why they can't have fond memories of home and look forward to going back... <em>edited by MomOfTwins on 16/10/2011</em>
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 18:59
Derien, really glad to hear the teacher's on top of it and your boy's feeling better already. Interesting stuff about the testosterone surge at 7 years old, too. Thanks, EW, I've learnt something today.
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 18:43
Oh good, was typing that whilst you replied. I know from experience, i had issues with my DS who was "friends" with a little terror in his class. :)
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 18:42
Derien, is your son in a new class with new children different from last year? I have seen this a few times, and know of two "options" which may be the cause. 1st - is your son playing or buddied up with a new friend at school whose behaviour could be rubbing off on your son? I would go to the school and speak to the teacher and find out. 2nd - could the teacher be the problem? If your DS is so unhappy at school and withhis teacher, this could affect his behaviour at home, is she telling him he is naughty and has behavioural issues as this could be drilling into him and having an effect, i would seriously make a meeting withthe teacher and the head of year / head of school and sit down with them, try speaking to some other mums see if they are having any problems too. Worth a shot, but as everyone else has said its important to try and get your littel one to tell you what the problem is, reassure him that he can tell you anything i always have a saying with my DS its far better to open up and tell the truth in the 1st place then to lie and be found out later it works for us he sometimes takes a bit of coaxing but he is generally honest with me. Good luck and hugs x
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 18:39
Ok. So I met with the teacher and I was very impressed. She told me that DS is a very bright student and has so much in him that sometimes he gets bored and starts to misbehave. The other kids in the class have started blaming him for things that go wrong because of a couple of small incidents. So not so serious after all but she has offers us some great solutions and has said that she will be separating him from a particular boy as there is always trouble. I think that the pressure may be coming from his classmates. I am quite relieved now as he also came home tonight with two stars and looked much happier. Maybe the little trip down to the gas station last night and the threat of jail..hehe has sorted him out. I will be keeping a close eye thought to make sure he is ok
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 18:36
You need to talk to your child who shows signs of anxiety. He seems to think that he can get things by stealing them. Why does he think this way ? He is expressing his various emotions and even if he does it in a wrong way he has a lot of things on his mind that needs to come out. Don't feel guilty because you could not pick him up at school or because you are working. They are many ways to be a good mother, some will work, some will not. You know him better than his teacher or anyone else. A child is a little sponge...if things don't get better, if he starts to repeat the same behavior with you or at school you can take him to a psychologist meanwhile don't be too worried, he is just growing..
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 17:20
Mom of twins....I agree with just about everything you say...except. (theres always an except, hey?) I do not believe at all with talking about when the child goes home...we are HERE, this is our HOME. Where we are, is where we belong...letting the kids fantasize about what their rooms will be like at home seems cruel....let them have the rooms of their dreams, if neccesary, here.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 13:52
Here's a mother of TWO seven year olds, boy and girl, to back up what everyone here is saying. To my luck this happened exactly when we decided to relocate to Dubai, so I assumed this behavior was connected to the fact they left behind their school friends, our home, etc. I've had both emotional surges coming in at the same time. My daughter, who is the most self confident and expressive of the two, decided to channel everything on the fact that she hated me, I am the worst mommy in the world, etc. - the smallest of acts would trigger this ( the skittles example is one of them, it happened to me!) My son, who was the sweetest most caring boy suddenly started to slap my b** in public. I do not hit them, my husband does not hit me, there is no such exposure to violence at our home. Then it escalated to comparing himself to his sister ( which is common with twins) saying "she does this and that better than me, I am bad" to the point where once he told me once, out of the blue, "I wanna kill myself". This all happend in the past three months alone, and it's now starting to become normal again. They seem to have found a comfortable spot where they can coexist with these emotions and deal with them. No need to say that me and my husband have spent countless hours talking to them and reinforcing how special they are to our lives. We have used all ways we can possibly cope with this, from talking to relatives online, to writing emails to cousins, to looking at baby pictures and videos we have saved on our computers. I printed a truckload of photos of their last year back home and we play together to make plans of what colors they want their old bedrooms painted when we go back, or how many friends are we visiting. We try to make the connection between here and their known environment. It seems to be working. Last night my daughter was asking about Christmas trees, then she thought "Rudolph", a stuffed raindeer they got from Santa, got lost in the move. I told her Rudolph was safe and sound in a special box mommy made for him and he couldn't wait to see her again. She was happy with my story and seems to feel comfortable more and more with the idea that we have our home to go back to. Just wanted to bring this up as the OP didn't mention it, how long have you been here? Might be a good idea to bring up the fact that he might be missing someone and is frustrated about it.
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EW GURU
Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 13:43
Derien, can't add anything useful as my LO is only 3 (am keeping a close eye on the thread for ideas for when she reaches 7 though...) but just wanted to send you a hug and say what a lucky boy your son is to have such a loving Mum who isn't blind to the problem and is willing to do so much to help him through this time, whether it is hormonal or something else. He will be just fine with a Mum like you! :)
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 13:29
'When your kids are the least loveable is the time when they need the most love". Must remember this...great quote... <em>edited by Perces on 16/10/2011</em>
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EW NEWBIE
Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 13:01
Derien, Lots of hugs to you....I went through something similar with my daughter last year...all of a sudden she turned into an alien - angry, lying, aggressive and people who know my girl would not believe me...however after alot of discussions, we realised there was a new girl in class who was causing these disurptions...luckily I spoke to another parent and she said the same thing. This girl was very mean but popular and said alot of mean things, about religion, the way people looked, etc etc I did complain to the teacher and as luck would have it, she has left this year. But I took me some time to figure what has changed...can you speak to mothers of the other boys in class to see if they are troubled as well? You may find your answer there
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 13:00
Sorry you are dealing with this, sounds like something might be going on at school, but it could also be an age thing and nothing more. My daughter turned into the she-devil around the age of 7, while she didn't get into trouble at school, she was a nightmare to live with at home. It all slowly came back to normal within a few months. At that time someone quoted to me 'When your kids are the least loveable is the time when they need the most love". Must admit I did not always abide by that, however it is one of those phrases that now always pops back into my head whenever I am about to lose it with them. <em>edited by mum2girls on 16/10/2011</em>
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 12:58
Hi Derien, I just wanted to add, that each person/childs situation is different. Its really important you take this seriously, although chances are its not anything serious and its just a phase, its better to be safe than sorry.
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 12:55
You learn the randomest things from EW ... I googled and here it is: The first hormone event which will lead to puberty is largely hidden from us. Between the ages of six and eight, the adrenal glands on top of each kidney start to step up secretion of androgens such as DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone), which the body uses as construction material for the manufacture of other steroids. These androgens prime hair follicles for pubic hair growth and make the skin greasier. Body odour is also a key feature. Parents first notice this change at their children's parties, when 20 rampaging seven-year-olds are noticeably whiffy in a way that they were not when younger. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2005/mar/03/1
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 12:52
Just wanted to send good wishes your way...really feel for you. My 5 yo is a handful and I know his is an attention thing combined with huge confidence - he's the youngest of 3! Just another factor though, I remember my other 2 having real 'phases' at 7 and I seem to remember reading that there is a major testosterone surge at this age, which can confuse them and affect behaviour. x
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 12:51
When I read this thread header I just knew it was going to be a boy! So many of my friends and me included had a pretty awful time either just before our boys turned 7 or right after they turned 7. Aggressive, stroppy, angry etc etc. For a month or so I thought my gorgeous blonde haired blue eyed boy had turned into an alien. When I mentioned this to friends when I was looking for some answers most mums of boys who had older boys told me that boys can have big surges in hormones at 7 yr intervals and this can causevthis aggressive out of character behaviour. We got through it over a month or so and my funny entertaining little joker who loves life, school and people returned just as fast as he disappeared. Maybe it's something to do with that for your boy. If I had not experienced it myself I would not believe it but I've now seen it happen with quite a few of my friends boys and some of the changes in the behaviour has been shocking but they have all returned to themselves - we are now all dreading he 13/14 year period!!! Good luck I hope the school are able to help you through whatever is happening. Does the school have a occupational therapist who could assess your son o see if they can identify a reason for this big change for you? Good luck - you are not alone - boys can be tricky!! It's not just boys! Trust me, turning into a horror at 7 is not exclusive to the males ;)
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 12:48
When I read this thread header I just knew it was going to be a boy! So many of my friends and me included had a pretty awful time either just before our boys turned 7 or right after they turned 7. Aggressive, stroppy, angry etc etc. For a month or so I thought my gorgeous blonde haired blue eyed boy had turned into an alien. When I mentioned this to friends when I was looking for some answers most mums of boys who had older boys told me that boys can have big surges in hormones at 7 yr intervals and this can causevthis aggressive out of character behaviour. We got through it over a month or so and my funny entertaining little joker who loves life, school and people returned just as fast as he disappeared. Maybe it's something to do with that for your boy. If I had not experienced it myself I would not believe it but I've now seen it happen with quite a few of my friends boys and some of the changes in the behaviour has been shocking but they have all returned to themselves - we are now all dreading he 13/14 year period!!! Good luck I hope the school are able to help you through whatever is happening. Does the school have a occupational therapist who could assess your son o see if they can identify a reason for this big change for you? Good luck - you are not alone - boys can be tricky!!
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 12:08
Your post struck a chord with me Derien as 7 was the age i turned 'bad' I actually stole a gymnastics leotard from a girls bag in the schools changing room. I was never going to get away with it because this particular girl had ALL the coca cola badges for her acheivements whereas I had none :-( I am the eldest of my siblings and I think it was an attention thing, my dad was away for months at a time with the Navy and my mum was over-worked with my younger brothers, she went mental with me for stealing and this confirmed to me I was 'Bad' and I went on to be really naughty at school till I was 10 and went to Boarding School (where I flourished into a happy, bright girl). Looking back I can see that the triggers were there, home life was chaotic and my mum very unhappy and not coping with a 7 YO, 5 YO + Baby. Everyones situation is different, but if my daughter ever starts playing up to similar extremes, i will be doing just what you are now, extra loving attention and speaking to anyone who may be able to shed some light on the causes, best of luck . Thank you. I appreciate this. I am planning on asking my boss if I can work part time for a couple of months ( pay in line with hours of course) to deal with some personal issues
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 12:01
Your post struck a chord with me Derien as 7 was the age i turned 'bad' I actually stole a gymnastics leotard from a girls bag in the schools changing room. I was never going to get away with it because this particular girl had ALL the coca cola badges for her acheivements whereas I had none :-( I am the eldest of my siblings and I think it was an attention thing, my dad was away for months at a time with the Navy and my mum was over-worked with my younger brothers, she went mental with me for stealing and this confirmed to me I was 'Bad' and I went on to be really naughty at school till I was 10 and went to Boarding School (where I flourished into a happy, bright girl). Looking back I can see that the triggers were there, home life was chaotic and my mum very unhappy and not coping with a 7 YO, 5 YO + Baby. Everyones situation is different, but if my daughter ever starts playing up to similar extremes, i will be doing just what you are now, extra loving attention and speaking to anyone who may be able to shed some light on the causes, best of luck .
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 11:37
derien, email me :) jax dot sister at yahoo you have mail
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EW MASTER
Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 11:35
Derien, no suggestions, just a hug and good luck for the meeting. Maybe the teacher will be able to give you good advice.
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 11:34
derien, email me :) GOT IT! Replying now <em>edited by Aleta on 16/10/2011</em>
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 11:26
Thanks Guiness. I do work full time but I spend as much time as possible with the kids to the point that I neglect myself and what I want to do. It is over compensation on the weekends and when I get home from work. I do the snuggle thing at night but not all the time as I have a 4 year old that needs my attention too at bedtime. I have spoken to him and he is not all that coherent but from what I can understand, it all gravitates around the school environment. He HATES school this year. I am going to keep and open mind going into the meeting today but I hope it is not one-way... Your son did this and your son did that. I will challenge her. edited by derien on 16/10/2011 If your son hates the school that much, can you change his school? Your son is old enough to tell you what is going on. Your poor son, it's such a hard age, I think! He is telling you - although not that coherently, draw him out on specifics. "You don't like school? Is it the other kids? Is it the teacher?" Slowly slowly over a couple of days. Take what the teacher says with a grain of salt - what's important is what your son is telling you. What I do with my kids - I have four - is that I always put the one who needs a long chat to sleep last. I leave him downstairs with the tv while I put the others to bed. A little less sleep is worth it to me to spend some time with one of them who needs it (which is usually my nearly 7 year old!)
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 11:21
Dear Derian: I am not a child psychologist, however I was a therapeutic foster parent for ten years in the USA, and I took my kids to therapy three times a week and did daily therapy with them at home. Most of these children were victims of abuse. I'm not saying you son has been abused, but these are warning signs that we watch for. Withdrawal, sudden behavior change including outbursts, sudden shoplifting or stealing behavior, food issues, unexplained or exaggerated anger, etc. I would take him to counseling right away. (Personally, I would take him somewhere away from home, just the two of us and talk to him face to face. I would tell him that you love him no matter what he has ever done or has ever happened to him. Tell him that you won't let anyone hurt him, and that no one will hurt you or your family if he tells you his secret. It could be a simple fear triggered by a new story or tv ad. Or it could be that something has happened and he is afraid or ashamed to tell you.) If he won't talk to you, take him to a counselor. The sooner you reach him the better. This acting out is a way to bring something into the open that is hidden. It's the only way kids know how to reach out when they are deeply upset. ONCE AGAIN it could be something simple. A story he heard from the other kids, or a bully at school. edited by Aleta on 16/10/2011 edited by Aleta on 16/10/2011 That was my first thought. I think I will take him for a consultation ASAP
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EW OLDHAND
Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 11:19
Gosh you poor thing Derien, thats really scary. Sorry I don't have any specific advice but I think what Aleta has said makes a lot of sense...
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 11:19
Oy, that is really scary - especially when you know your son quite well. To be honest, my nearly 7 year old has gotten a bit of attitude on himself the last few months. But yours is taking it to extremes. The *first* thing I would do is take him out to do something he enjoys with you. A day at the beach? A picnic at the park? Anything where he has a lot of time and your sole attention. Then, in bits and drabs, I would gently start asking him what's going on. Odds are, something has happened to trigger this behaviour and telling you what it was will help him a lot. Maybe he doesn't like his teacher? Maybe he feels left out at school? Maybe you are at work all the time and he feels alone? Try that and see what says. Also, I put my son to bed at night and often stay and snuggle him until he is asleep - and that's when he talks to me most ... The key to remember is there is **nothing** wrong with your son, he's just going through something that he needs your help with. Great advice, Guiness. Bits and pieces is less intimidating than a direct confrontation. I also like the idea of bedtime chats, if it can be done privately without other children around.
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Latest post on 16 October 2011 - 11:19
Thanks Guiness. I do work full time but I spend as much time as possible with the kids to the point that I neglect myself and what I want to do. It is over compensation on the weekends and when I get home from work. I do the snuggle thing at night but not all the time as I have a 4 year old that needs my attention too at bedtime. I have spoken to him and he is not all that coherent but from what I can understand, it all gravitates around the school environment. He HATES school this year. I am going to keep and open mind going into the meeting today but I hope it is not one-way... Your son did this and your son did that. I will challenge her. <em>edited by derien on 16/10/2011</em>
 
 

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